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Reply with quote  #33 
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Originally Posted by StephenPerry
I sold a few AR 15's before the ban. Not modified. Called them my Hasbro guns. Good gun on the run. Plenty of .223 ammo then. The modified ones look interesting but how do they do on running varmints like ground squirrels. I would think more missed shots than hits. On a tripod squirrels won't wait for you to dial in.
The gun is not a BR gun. I saw Feamster's groups shot with an illegal gun, bolt must be able to be removed. Not sure he was an NBRSA member when he shot. You must be a member to shoot a NBRSA event. His one claim to fame group proved an AR 15 can shoot a under 1" group at 200 yds, actually i seem to recall it was a screamer group under .250, but his lack of ability more than doubled the remaining groups over 1". That particular Range should have been reprimanded for an unsafe rifle and a non-member. We had a guy shoot a .3 agg with an AR once, Hart bbl, at San Gabriel, he was legal. He had his rifle modified so he could pull out the bolt during a cease fire, NBRSA Rule. Still a great rifle.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR


Are you so bored that you have to seek out a thread about varminting in order to interject your comments about benchrest shooting? Surely you can find something more constructive to occupy your time!

Besides that, you owe John Feamster an apology. I've never heard of him badmouthing you on a public forum. Bad manners, Stephen, bad manners!
bgjohn
Reply with quote  #34 
The original post asked for comments pro or con about AR's. I have one but it isn't for accurate shooting. I've seen these yo-yo's shooting AR's and AK's at the range. They can't hit diddly. Show me a man with a single shot. He will hit his target!
JM
Reply with quote  #35 
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Originally Posted by bgjohn
The original post asked for comments pro or con about AR's. I have one but it isn't for accurate shooting. I've seen these yo-yo's shooting AR's and AK's at the range. They can't hit diddly. Show me a man with a single shot. He will hit his target!
JM


I'm overwhelmed by your vast knowledge and your astonishing amount of experience with the AR platform. You truly belong in the ranks of AR experts like Jim Zumbo. You should be proud of yourself
bgjohn
Reply with quote  #36 
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Originally Posted by Spotcheck_Billy
Quote:
Originally Posted by bgjohn
The original post asked for comments pro or con about AR's. I have one but it isn't for accurate shooting. I've seen these yo-yo's shooting AR's and AK's at the range. They can't hit diddly. Show me a man with a single shot. He will hit his target!
JM


I'm overwhelmed by your vast knowledge and your astonishing amount of experience with the AR platform. You truly belong in the ranks of AR experts like Jim Zumbo. You should be proud of yourself


You appear to be easily overwhelmed. Zim Jumbo doesn't shoot at our range.
One shot, one kill. It only takes one if you know what you are doing!
762willdo
Reply with quote  #37 
hey bgjohn i got one of those stoopid ar's i will put up against whatever you got at say 600yds. in the wind. of course youll probably beat me but just to keep it interesting what say we make a small wager......
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Reply with quote  #38 
Let's keep it civil guys. Yes some AR shooters are more concerned with "tactical accessorizing" than accuracy, but there are scores of outstanding shooters who demonstrate amazing accuracy with their ARs and AR-based spaceguns. David Tubb and Shawn McKenna (of Berger Bullets) come to mind. I will never, ever disparage the skills of position shooters like David and Shawn. It takes a hell of a marksman to hold half-MOA from a standing position and these guys can do it.

Lest there be any doubt as to the potential accuracy of the AR platform, there's a little shootin' match at Camp Perry in July/August. I think you'll find a few examples of the "Black Rifle" there.

We should celebrate, not disparage, the qualities of the AR rifle. I think there is little doubt that it has evolved into the most accurate self-loading rifle design this country has ever produced. And that's a good thing.

people
Reply with quote  #39 
I finally read this whole thing. I was not all that interested at first. I use a kit built flat top. Mine has a 1:8 twist heavy tube on it. Back in the day I figured I needed that for a 60gr slug. Keep in mind this was back in the day when the internet was only getting started in the mainstream.

ON TO BUSINESS.

My rifle with the 1:8 twist will shoot a Speer TNT at 3150fps, and hold it under a dime at 200yds. It will shoot better if I use the bipod feet dug into the ground and push in to it. I also have a mildot scope on it for holding off in the wind or when the range gets way out there. I hit more PD at 500 than I miss.

Making my gun more reliable with the ammo I shoot. I do not crimp my ammo and the die I use for this gun is different than the one I use for Service Rifle Competition. My current load holds the bullets just enough to allow me to load a 20RD mag with only 15 shots. If I put 20 in 20 the first round will not make it in to the chamber the bullet will push in to the casing and the powder will spill in to the action and the barrel extension. This is a pain in my butt. That is why I use them as 15rd mags. I could put my old springs in and use them as 20's again but I also use these mags in my service rifle. I do carry three 30rd mags with me when shooting PD for extra ammo. I put the ammo in my 20's then fire it. My ammo does not work from 30rd mags. I could use a crimp or my other die to load my ammo but in my gun trying those other things will make it shoot like butt. I also use 1/4" netting draped over my scope to deflect the casings to the ground. It makes picking up your brass very easy. When shooting yotes I use my 16" tube and use old brass (do not tell any one) with split necks and just let them fly.

What is nice about the semi-auto function is when you fire a shot and miss for what ever reason you can usually see you hit and correct and fire a second shot. The PD will usually look at the hole or wonder what that was as you fire the second shot. Granted sometimes they run before you can fire or they move while the round is on its way. I almost never shot a second shot with a bolt when shooting at PD. Now do not misunderstand me I like my bolts but I like my AR just a little more for shooting PD and coyotes.
Ackman
Reply with quote  #40 
The AR makes a great varmint gun. I've used mine on prairie dogs and groundsquirrels and it's just real effective. Shooting prairie dogs with Keith Candler before I ever got an AR, he'd be dumping 90rds from the brass catcher while I was grabbing another 50rd bag from inside the camper shell. That trip was with a stock HBar and he flat tore them up. The thing about those guns is that you don't have to move from the scope so it's easy to make instant corrections off ground splatters from a miss. (If moving targets are your thing, an AR is way more effective than a bolt gun) On varmints you still take time for sight picture and trigger squeeze and it's not about hosing an area down rapid-fire.....it's just that there's no lost time working a bolt and loading the chamber, then finding the target again. I had Bill Wylde make me a pre-forward assist top end back around '90 and it's shot some 1/4" groups.....1/2" isn't a problem. Back in those days there were no flattops and to get one, the handle had to be milled off. Mine has the carrying handle left on, and having the scope that high off bore line really makes the trajectory seem flat.

Benchrest shooting isn't the same as varmint shooting and target shooters posting about varmint hunting are often clueless. Saying that the AR platform isn't accurate enough to make a good varmint gun is beyond clueless.

Edit*** To "people" (above).....I was writing when you posted. My comments about target shooters and inaccuracy-sayers being clueless were directed towards Mr. Perry and Mr. Bigjohn.
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