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a1shooter
Reply with quote  #25 
OK. So what do you all suggest for a DPMS .308 cal that I intend to use for hunting-dusk, dawn, and everything in between, rain or shine, short to long range (50 to 500 yds) use at night for wild hogs that are tearing up the pasture and hay fields, and shoot paper as far as the old worn out eyes can see? As for as old being better, I agree except for the old eyes!
7stwhunter
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Originally Posted by a1shooter
OK. So what do you all suggest for a DPMS .308 cal that I intend to use for hunting-dusk, dawn, and everything in between, rain or shine, short to long range (50 to 500 yds) use at night for wild hogs that are tearing up the pasture and hay fields, and shoot paper as far as the old worn out eyes can see? As for as old being better, I agree except for the old eyes!


I would put a leupy MK4 4.5-14x50 on it personally.
DocEd
Reply with quote  #27 
So why did the USMC give up on the S&B?
canuck
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Originally Posted by a1shooter
OK. So what do you all suggest for a DPMS .308 cal that I intend to use for hunting-dusk, dawn, and everything in between, rain or shine, short to long range (50 to 500 yds) use at night for wild hogs that are tearing up the pasture and hay fields, and shoot paper as far as the old worn out eyes can see? As for as old being better, I agree except for the old eyes!


I would put a leupy MK4 4.5-14x50 on it personally.




Ya that leupold is a very fine scope .If you're on a budget it is really hard to beat the bushnell elites.However if I could only own one scope for those purposes you mentioned it would be the new swarovski 2.5-15.You can also usually specify first or second focal plane...I don't know what swarovski did but that new glass is incredible and an absolutely amazing amount of field of view.I have never seen a scope like it.My next hunting scope will definitely be the swarovski.
I decided to get into a bit of target so bought one target scope awhile back but wasn't that crazy about it. I inquired about the schmidt and bender 12.5-50 longrange just a few days ago . Apparently it is suppose to be available very soon( perhaps even weeks).I was told it has 1/8 moa adjustments with 75 moa vertical.
Coopersrcool
Reply with quote  #29 
Wow I guess we all see things differently. I have a 5.5x22 and 8x32 Nightforce NXS. I have one zeiss conquest 6.5x20. two Leupolds Mk IV and VariX III plus a buch of others Nikon several T 36 Weavers , Sightron ,Redfield , and Leupold fixed 24 and 36.
Nightforce wins hands down in all conditions and light! JMHO Kenny
canuck
Reply with quote  #30 
Curious, are you affiliated with nightforce? I mean you have been a member for about a year and you haven't particpated in any firearms, reloading or other threads. The only threads you have participated in are to defend nightforce.
After researching a little more on the net and talking to others it would seem I am not alone by any means in my observations regarding the optical attributes of nightforce.
Yes, they are great for target but in low light situations ? Other premium and not so premium scopes trounce them in that regard..
Just look at this review accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/first-look-sightron-siii-8-32x56-scope/ - 35k ( just copy and paste to read it). They compared the much much cheaper sightron 8-32 to the nightforce and optically it was found to be superior in almost every regard except perhaps resolution. They felt the nightforce had a very slight edge in resolution( funny cause that is the one area I said nightforce was not bad).
jiwilliams
Reply with quote  #31 
Well I will give my .02

I own Meopta, Nightforce, IOR, Millet and have owned Bushnell 3200 and 4200, Leupold Mk4 and a few of the nitch scopes like Falcon Menace, SuperSniper, and Konus. Also some time with some Simmons and Mueller that were .22 scopes for me. Now that I think about it.. I've gone through a bunch of scopes!

My Nightforce is a 2001 8-32BR and it has great glass that is equal to the IOR 9-36. I LOVE my IOR glass but the scope has problems with retaining focus (parallax) under recoil. IOR is trying to fix the problem and has actually replaced one scope. Still, I like the IOR glass so much I have another 16x fixed on the way.

I found the glass on the Mark4 8-25 to be good but not WOW inspiring. It was on par with my Bushnell 4200 of which I've owned 2, a 6-24 tactical and a 8-32. The 3200 was a noticable step down. Of course the Leupold has its great warranty as a major plus.

The SuperSniper / Falcon and I'm playing with a Konus right now, are all somewhere close but not quite up to the 4200. Same of the Millet but it is a speciality scope the DMS1 and features are more critical than glass.

Meopta? My favorite piece of glass. Clear, bright with excellent contrast. This is the 4-16 with exposed turrets. I wish they made this in a higher magnification. The exposed Meopta turrets I have now sometimes seem to 'slip' and I'm afraid to tighten them any more.

I haven't had any real experience with the S&B or US Optics and they are out of my budget which currently keeps me to no more than $1500 for glass.

canuck
Reply with quote  #32 
I don't doubt your experiences as I have looked through a few of those optics mentioned.I would almost bet nightforce used better glass 8 years ago or exercised better quality control. Many many companies let quality slip once they develope a reputation and this may be the case with nightforce.
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