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Moderator
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Unfortunately we have had one instance where a seller in this forum has received a significant sum of money and not shipped the goods in a reasonable period of time.

MARK my words, and I cannot say this any more emphatically:

ANY SELLER that DEFRAUDS a buyer on this board, whether negligently or deliberately, will be in a world of hurt.

If you take a buyer's funds and never ship the goods (assuming the buyer's address is known), you have committed a crime, period. This can be mail and/or wire fraud, and yes it may lead to prosecution and imprisonment.

SELLERS that don't respond to phone calls, emails, or certified letters in a reasonable amount of time, aren't shielding themselves.

We WILL intervene and we will turn over the information to local police and Federal Postal inspectors.

I hope this message is coming across loud and clear.

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In the future we may require all sellers to publicly post their actual name, address, and telephone numbers and verify shipment. I hope we don't have to resort to that.

Thankfully, in nearly three years, there has only been one unresovled problem. But trust me, if ANY advertiser thinks they can take the money and run, they may well be looking at criminal prosecution.

chino69
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moderator
Unfortunately we have had a couple instances where sellers in this forum have received a significant sum of money and not shipped the goods in a reasonable period of time.

MARK my words, and I cannot say this any more emphatically:

ANY SELLER that DEFRAUDS a buyer on this board, whether negligently or deliberately, will be in a world of hurt.

If you take a buyer's funds and never ship the goods (assuming the buyer's address is known), you have committed a crime, period. This can be mail and/or wire fraud, and yes it may lead to prosecution and imprisonment.

SELLERS that don't respond to phone calls, emails, or certified letters in a reasonable amount of time, aren't shielding themselves.

We WILL intervene and we will turn over the information to local police and Federal Postal inspectors.

I hope this message is coming across loud and clear.

- - -

In the future we may require all sellers to publicly post their actual name, address, and telephone numbers and verify shipment. I hope we don't have to resort to that.

Thankfully, in nearly three years, there have only been two problems. But trust me, if ANY advertiser thinks they can take the money and run, they may well be looking at criminal prosecution.



Don't think twice about turning perps. over to the authorities.
Chino69
Preacher
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I hope the guy in Tenn. gets his scope some day from Pa...
Shooter32
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Me 2 Preacher !!!!!!! It would be nice to get the scope or my money back . Or maybe just a nice picture of him looking through the bars of a jail cell . By the way Paul i have all of the proof anytime that anyone would like to see it .
lynn
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Shooter32
Don't know anything at all about the transaction or the problems your having but don't wait at all.
Contact your local postmaster as soon as possible.If you sent a postal money order the other party had to show identification to cash it and the postal service keeps that info on file.

To anyone that may be reading this use a postal money order for your transactions.If they get lost your covered.If the other party forgets about you but they cashed in the money order the postal service now photo scans the signature plus has the hard copy on file.They run less than a buck for up to $500 so it is cheap insurance.

Many offices are also monitored so acting fast is very helpful.
Lynn
tootalloutdoors
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I usually deal in postal M.O.'s. I was selling a Hoyt hunting bow and a fella from a site asked me if I would send it C.O.D.. Because of some frauds that were apparently happening.
I said no because I'm pretty ignorant about the C.O.D. thing.
I sold the bow somewhere else but I got to thinking that this guy actually may have been requesting a pretty smart thing, where both people would be protected. I don't know. Is any body familiar with doing things that way?? Tootalloutdoors
RDHNTR
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There have been quite a few scams on the archery sites concerning COD. Seems the guy pays the PO with a check and it bounces. COD can most definatly be a scam and you did the right thing refusing it.Aparently a lot of scum are forging postal MO"s and use them to buy all kinds of stuff off the internet.Forged checks also are commonly used and they are so good that the bank accepts them only to tell you weeks later that it was a forgery and the money has been taken back out of your account.I take personal checks but wait a month to ship to see if its real or not. Frank
Vanlin83
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Originally Posted by lynn
Shooter32
Don't know anything at all about the transaction or the problems your having but don't wait at all.
Contact your local postmaster as soon as possible.If you sent a postal money order the other party had to show identification to cash it and the postal service keeps that info on file.

To anyone that may be reading this use a postal money order for your transactions.If they get lost your covered.If the other party forgets about you but they cashed in the money order the postal service now photo scans the signature plus has the hard copy on file.They run less than a buck for up to $500 so it is cheap insurance.

Many offices are also monitored so acting fast is very helpful.
Lynn

Lynn,
One other very important thing is to ALWAYS keep the money order receipt for the money order that you sent for any kind of payment. While the post office does keep this stuff on file, I know from personal experience, that individual post offices have very different levels of filing organization and security and my luck was that the one small post office that I stopped at to purchase my money order was the one that did not do what they were supposed to in record keeping. About four months after the money order was sent I had to go back to that post office to try and get another money order receipt and it was impossible. It was complicated even more because someone in that particular office had been embezzeling funds and the financial records were so screwed up that it would have taken years to recreate the receipt, if then. I had lost my money order receipt and not really worried because I just "knew" that the postal service would have no problem. Not true at all. And as it turned out from the investigation of that office done by the Postal Inspectors, there was no record at all of the sale of the money order that I purchased that day along with about 40 other money order sales. The embezzling clerk just began the next days business with a fake money order serial number and no one caught it.
So, keep that receipt handy until the deal is completed.
Hope this may help someone, sometime...........Van
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