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cliffy
Reply with quote  #17 
I found nothing in my pms, BigBamBoo. I'm apparently computer illiterate. Please try again. Cliffy
effendude
Reply with quote  #18 
A couple months ago, I had a long conversation with the head of Federal Cartridge who lives near me. I asked him about the challenges they faced by the incredible demand for both loaded ammo and components. For the most part, they are running 24/7 for production, and have been for quite a while. While business is "good", they view this current situation as short term. If there are changes from the Nobel Peace Prize winner, then things might run longer. They couldn't justify spending millions of dollars to increase production based on their projections. They have not raised their prices to reflect the demand for their products either. They have even received death threats from people who have been unable to get ammo/components! Let's stop this ridiculous talk about conspiracies for now. It only associates us with the wacko fringe who the media loves to portray all of us as.
Scott
MQ1
Reply with quote  #19 
I'd like to second effendude's coherent, rational understanding of why primers are difficult to find (in certain areas).

My primary job is in manufacturing systems, and it has been common knowledge among my kind, that the manufacturers are not in a position to invest considerable capital to increase production, when by all indications, the only "cause" of the primer and ammo shortage is the fear-mongers who have convinced themselves that they must hoard all available supplies...that and a couple of big, non-repeatable government contracts that for a short term will tax their production limitations.

It makes me laugh, because at some point, all the hoarders will acquire enough of the components, that they will feel "safe" and then this ammo and component "bubble" will stop, and there will likely be a period where commercial demand will drop, and the demand inflated prices will necessarily drop.

I grew up in the Midwest, and now live in Northern California...specifically the Bay Area. Within an hours drive, I can buy primers today, where 6 months ago there were none on the shelves. Now the primers are staying on the shelves, and in my humble opinion, it is because peoples immediate fears of component shortages have passed.

On the other hand, we have a number of new bills in California that would significantly regulate the purchase of ammunition, mandate requirements for the incorporation of "new" identification technologies for guns, and other various ill-conceived, short sighted legislation that is introduced more to win votes from city Democrats than anything else. It is public information, and part of our democratic process. I would hardly call it a conspiracy, however I certainly do not agree with the legislation, and I have called, emailed and sent letters to my government representives to let them know my view.


FWIW,

MQ1
BigBamBoo
Reply with quote  #20 
Cliffy. For whatever reason it seems I my PM's are not going through. I did send you a email with the info. If that does not work send me a PM and maybe I will be able to reply to it.

Take care,Stan
NateHaler
Reply with quote  #21 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MQ1

On the other hand, we have a number of new bills in California that would significantly regulate the purchase of ammunition, mandate requirements for the incorporation of "new" identification technologies for guns, and other various ill-conceived, short sighted legislation that is introduced more to win votes from city Democrats than anything else. It is public information, and part of our democratic process. I would hardly call it a conspiracy, however I certainly do not agree with the legislation, and I have called, emailed and sent letters to my government representives to let them know my view.


The shrill wicked witches of the West, i.e. Babs Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi, "represent" you? Not a chance.

You may as well look for divine intervention, or trust in chicken bones and voodoo.

These hateful harridans forgot long, long ago that they work for us. And so did the lunatics who vote for them.
MQ1
Reply with quote  #22 
Nate,

I agree with much of you say, and I must confess that they are certainly not who I voted for. My wife, who is an intelligent, wonderful woman (and Democrat) is also not satisfied with the politicians that you so aptly called out.

If I though voodoo and chicken bones would do some good, I wouldn't hesitate.

It is intersting to note that for all the uber-left leaning people I have met in California, there are many that tread a much more moderate ground, and much of the State is certainly very conservative. Without digressing into a polital rant, I will say that while our Federal and State democracy may not always be heading into the direction that "I" want, it is still a better system than most countries.

I don't like to complain, however I do vote, and when I think it warrants it, I contact my representatives and let them know how I feel, my reasonings, and I try to do it in a positive discourse, without name calling, fear mongering, mud slinging, heavy handed rhetoric that is serves to alienate people. I feel that both parties could do much more for the people of America if they chose to work together on common grounds vs. eat up their time arguing platitudes that only serve to prolong indecision.

Anyhow...

there are better people to represent Californians, and I hope that someday a majority of Californians will wise up and figure that out.

MQ1
Phil3
Reply with quote  #23 
MQ1, I live just a few miles from your city, and wish I could share your optimism about California, but things just seem to be going further and further left all the time. In the bay area, I believe [B]All[/U] Congressional representatives, state Assembly, and state Senators are Democrats.

- Phil
cr500
Reply with quote  #24 
I think maybe they have been too busy exporting them. We have had no problems getting primers in Australia, including U.S made ones over the last year. Even little tin pot gunshops in country towns seem to have plenty. Maybe the manufactures thought it was more profitable to send them to places which are not in recession?
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