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Reply with quote  #9 
Why not put a muzzle brake on a 308 or 30-06 and never worry about recoil bothering the young shooter...I went thru all the gyrations of trying buy/make a low recoil deer rifle for my son when he was 9 yrs old...if I had know about muzzle brakes then we would have been shooting the 308Win...and never look back..
I have convinced many shooters of hard recoiling rifles to try a brake...and 100% were elated at the recoil reduction..

Just my $.02 worth
Reply with quote  #10 
More then my 2cents worth.

All of you are posting that small children have no problem shooting the high power rifles you provided for them to shoot.
And no doubt they are shooting them.
How many of you have loaded that firearm with a dummy cartridge to see how bad the kid is flinching.To say not that bad..... does not cut it a flinch is a flinch.

Now lets hear the whining.
I know all of you will try to justify it somehow.
Same parents will buy youngsters xmas present that is to old for the age.

Reply with quote  #11 
260 rem,7-08 , 6.5x55 Sweede all with Nos Part. is what I would recommend for a youngster. My 1 daughter is of slight build 5"2 about 105 pounds when she started hunting and had no trouble with these Carts.YMMV.though SHE didn't take an Elk with these Carts. I have .(hers have been Mulie an whitetails). As for the flinching try the dummy/loaded routine at the range to help with that,light bullet weights also help for practicing.
Reply with quote  #12 
The light 6.5's and 7's would work but don't rule out the 25 calibers. You might look into a 257 roberts or possibly a 25-06. Muzzle brakes are a good idea as well for guns with heavier recoil.
Reply with quote  #13 
I ran into this exact problem about 10 years ago when my oldest was ready to start hunting. After much soul searching and research, I built him a 250 Savage. He killed two elk with it and my youngest killed his first two with it as well. Both used 100 partitions. It doesn't have the recoil of the smaller diameter .243. I have yet to recover a 100 grain Partition so there is certainly no need to use the 115s.

Later, Remington came out with the 260. My oldest boy wanted to use it on elk. He killed his third elk with my 260 Remington and had no problem- but he was getting quite a bit bigger by now. He shot his 4th and 5th elk two years ago but used my 300H&H.

I have loaned this 250 Savage to quite a number of folks for their youngsters and wives to use. They all loved it.

Had Remington already come out with the 260, I might have gone that route and just loaded it mildly.

The 250 Savage is about perfect. The 260 Remington is a close 2nd.
Reply with quote  #14 
It's not that elk can't be taken with the smaller calibers, but there is so little room for error. The .260 loaded is the smallest I would recommend to anyone. I've seen elk soak up so much punishment from even well placed hits from large caliber rounds. Partions are good, swift A-frame, better, but nothing provides the penatration the X. IMHO, there is probably no better bullet for terminal performance than the barnes X. I believe it was 130 TSX in the .260 that Randy Brooks was using for some time as his only elk rifle.
Reply with quote  #15 
When I lived in Az., it was truely amazing just how many elk hunters used the 243 on Bull and cow elk. They knew that their shots were 100 yds or less, and they were all meat hunters.
Reply with quote  #16 
260 rem or 7mm/08 gets my vote, tough to beat either one of these.
Chris M.
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